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Welcome to the We Are Human Leaders podcast. We have big, candid and impactful conversations about human-centered leadership at work and beyond. We focus on what’s novel: new takes on leadership, new research and insights, new ways of looking at things.

We share stories, data, inspiration and insight in conversations designed to spark ‘aha’ moments – and empower you and other Human Leaders to create change, lead authentically and build workplaces where people thrive.

Available everywhere you listen to podcasts. Scroll down for our latest episodes.

Layoffs, Redundancies and Career Shifts: Navigating Challenging Changes with Leanne Elliott
Alexis Zahner Alexis Zahner

Layoffs, Redundancies and Career Shifts: Navigating Challenging Changes with Leanne Elliott

One of the most traumatic experiences we can have in the workplace is being made redundant. Learn how to navigate this as a Leader and a person being made redundant.


We unpack how to manage major layoffs and redundancy as a leader, what supports to offer your team. And, how to navigate this major life change as an individual with Business Psychologist Leanne Elliott.

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The Unseen Leader: the Power of Understated Leadership with Martin Gutmann Ph.D.
Alexis Zahner Alexis Zahner

The Unseen Leader: the Power of Understated Leadership with Martin Gutmann Ph.D.

Does history really offer us the best examples of what it takes to be a great leader?

In this episode we unpack The Unseen Leader, the recent book of Author, Professor and Historian Martin Gutmann Ph.D. to understand the stereotypical tales history presents us about great leadership, and rethink what qualities it really takes to lead well.

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Built In Bias: The Potential And Perils Of AI For Leaders And Workplaces with Tracey Spicer
Alexis Zahner Alexis Zahner

Built In Bias: The Potential And Perils Of AI For Leaders And Workplaces with Tracey Spicer

Our societies are permeated with bias. Many people are subject to multiple biases without even being aware. At the same time, AI is everywhere in our everyday lives. So, what are the implications when bias is built into AI? The answer is potentially dangerous, with implications for our leadership, our workplaces and beyond. And yet, there is hope.

In this conversation we are talking to Tracey Spicer about her new book Man Made: How the bias of the past is being built into the future. She unpacks the shocking forms of bias she discovered in the 7 years of research for the book, the implications of AI for work and leadership, and practical steps leaders can take now to harness AI for positive impacts in the workplace of the future.

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Future Fit: Creating Organisations Ready For The Future with Friska Wirya
Alexis Zahner Alexis Zahner

Future Fit: Creating Organisations Ready For The Future with Friska Wirya

Change can be a struggle for humans. The unknown can bring up all kinds of fear and resistance. This makes managing and navigating change both a huge responsibility and challenge for us as humans and leaders.

In this conversation we unpack how to navigate change and become a leader capable of transforming the workplace to be future fit with expert Friska Wirya.

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Fixing Friction: Eliminating The Forces That Make Work Harder with Hayagreeva Rao
Alexis Zahner Alexis Zahner

Fixing Friction: Eliminating The Forces That Make Work Harder with Hayagreeva Rao

In this conversation we unpack workplace Friction with Hayagreeva 'Huggy' Rao. Friction can be both good and bad in a workplace, knowing how to use it and how to eliminate it when it's doing harm is critical.

The Friction Project is the latest book by Huggy Rao and Bob Sutton and is The definitive guide to eliminating the forces that make it harder, more complicated, or downright impossible to get things done in organizations.

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Mind Body Wisdom and The Illusion of Control with Ellen Langer
Alexis Zahner Alexis Zahner

Mind Body Wisdom and The Illusion of Control with Ellen Langer

Life consists only of moments, nothing more than that. So if you make the moment matter, it all matters

What does it mean to truly be mindful? In today’s conversation we explore the mind-body connection through decades of powerful, trailblazing research with Harvard University Professor and the ‘Mother of Mindfulness’ Ellen Langer.

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  • "Heartfelt impact"

    Thank you Alexis and Sally for this inspiring, informative and actionable episode. You truly teach that success doesn’t have to mean disconnect or sacrifice (long-term). Thank you!

    • Kaitlin

  • "Putting humanity back into leadership"

    Alexis and Sally continue to bring forward the conversations that so many of us are having - why aren’t leaders showing more humanity.

    Their work is about the change that we are all hoping to see. The pandemic was the catalyst and Alexis & Sally are the change makers.

    • Maxwell

  • "Inspiring & exciting"

    Alexis & Sally are such interesting and inspiring speakers on the podcast! Can't wait to listen to the next episode.

    • Katrien