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Welcome to the Live+Work More Human podcast.

Welcome to the Live+Work More Human (formerly We Are Human Leaders) podcast. We have big, candid and impactful conversations about all things career, life and leadership. We focus on what’s novel: new takes on work and leadership, new research and insights, new ways of looking at things.

We share stories, data, inspiration and insight in conversations designed to spark ‘aha’ moments – and empower you to create change, lead authentically and build workplaces where people thrive.

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Daniel Goleman •

Dr Kirstin Ferguson •

Urs Koenig •

Tracey Spicer •

Dr Huggy Rao •

Meisha-Ann Martin •

Martin Gutmann •

Iman Obou •

Amy Edmondson • Daniel Goleman • Dr Kirstin Ferguson • Urs Koenig • Tracey Spicer • Dr Huggy Rao • Meisha-Ann Martin • Martin Gutmann • Iman Obou •

Our incredible guests include

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Dr Michele Lamont •

Craig Foster •

Lily Zheng •

Jeremy Utley •

Alex Soojung-Kim Pang •

Kim Scott •

Dr John Chan •

Claude Silver •

Ron Carruci •

Ashton Applewhite •

Dr David Weiss •

Dr Jonathan Fisher •

Morra Aarons-Mele •

Dr Michele Lamont • Craig Foster • Lily Zheng • Jeremy Utley • Alex Soojung-Kim Pang • Kim Scott • Dr John Chan • Claude Silver • Ron Carruci • Ashton Applewhite • Dr David Weiss • Dr Jonathan Fisher • Morra Aarons-Mele •

Dr Michele Lamont •

Craig Foster •

Lily Zheng •

Wendy Smith •

Melody Wilding •

Stephan Meier •

Zach Mercurio •

Stephanie Chung •

Dr Els van der Helm •

Ashton Applewhite •

Megan Reitz •

Dr Jonathan Fisher •

Terence Mauri •

Dr Michele Lamont • Craig Foster • Lily Zheng • Wendy Smith • Melody Wilding • Stephan Meier • Zach Mercurio • Stephanie Chung • Dr Els van der Helm • Ashton Applewhite • Megan Reitz • Dr Jonathan Fisher • Terence Mauri •

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George Kohlriesser •

Ludmilla Praslova •

Garry Ridge •

Tyler Rice •

Charlie Sull •

Ron Carruci •

Muriel Wilkins •

Amy Gallo •

Dr Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic •

Megan Reitz •

Dominic Price •

Dr Amy Finlay-Jones •

George Kohlriesser • Ludmilla Praslova • Garry Ridge • Tyler Rice • Charlie Sull • Ron Carruci • Muriel Wilkins • Amy Gallo • Dr Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic • Megan Reitz • Dominic Price • Dr Amy Finlay-Jones •

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Why Authenticity is BS with Dr. Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic
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Why Authenticity is BS with Dr. Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic

In this We Are Human Leaders conversation, author and organizational psychologist Dr. Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic shares insights from his latest book: Don't Be Yourself: Why Authenticity Is Overrated (and What to Do Instead).

We discuss the complexities of authenticity in leadership, emphasizing that the common advice to 'just be yourself' can be misleading. He explores the psychological underpinnings of self-perception, the importance of emotional intelligence, and the traps associated with pursuing authenticity.

This inspiring discussion highlights the need for leaders to be aware of their impact on others and to cultivate a balance between self-awareness and pro-social behavior. And, the conversation calls for a redefinition of authenticity that includes the potential for growth and change.

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How to Befriend Uncertainty with Terence Mauri
Sally Clarke Sally Clarke

How to Befriend Uncertainty with Terence Mauri

We explore a topic that's inescapable right now: disruption.

In this dense-with-wisdom conversation, Sally Clarke and Alexis Zahner sit down with Terence Mauri, a global authority on leadership and disruption. They explore the concept of disruption, emphasizing its role in learning and growth rather than just technology.

Terence introduces and unpacks the DARE framework, which stands for Data, Agility, Risk, and Evolution, as a guide for leaders to navigate the complexities of modern organizations. Our wide-ranging discussion highlights the importance of human connection, the risks of over-reliance on technology, and the need for leaders to foster a culture of curiosity and adaptability.

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Escaping the Busyness Trap with Megan Reitz
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Escaping the Busyness Trap with Megan Reitz

Busyness is killing productivity and harming workplace culture. Here's how to counter it for amazing results at individual, team and organizational levels.

The most common answer to 'how are you?' these days, is 'busy'. 

Busyness is rife. But it's not making us happier, more productive or more successful. On the contrary.

In the latest episode of We Are Human Leaders, we sit down with author and expert Megan Reitz to discuss the dangers of busyness in modern leadership and the importance of spacious thinking and mindfulness.

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Treat Your People Like Your Customers with Stephan Meier
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Treat Your People Like Your Customers with Stephan Meier

To drive incredible, transformational business outcomes, you need to stop focusing on the customer, and start focusing on your employees. Learn why – and how.

In this insight-packed conversation, Stephan Meier discusses the importance of a human-centric approach to the future of work, emphasizing that technology should augment human capabilities rather than replace them. He outlines the benefits of an employee-first workplace, including increased productivity, innovation, and employee retention. Stephan also highlights the shift in perspective where employees are seen as customers, advocating for organizations to apply customer-centric strategies to enhance employee experiences. Real-world examples, such as H.E.B. and Costco, illustrate the success of employee-centric practices. The discussion touches on the concept of quiet quitting and the need for leaders to actively listen to their employees to drive engagement. Plus, Stephan shares strategies for humanizing work and motivating employees through personalized experiences and continuous learning.

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Romance, Cheating and BFFs: Relationships at Work with Rachel Voysey
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Romance, Cheating and BFFs: Relationships at Work with Rachel Voysey

Workplace relationships are a natural part of being human. Neither good or bad, they’re inevitable. So we asked a Relationship Psychologist to give us advice on how to navigate them.

In this conversation, relationship psychologist Rachel Voysey discusses the complexities of romantic relationships and friendships in the workplace. The discussion covers the inevitability of workplace relationships, the challenges of infidelity, and the importance of communication and empathy in navigating these dynamics.

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AI And The Future Of Work with Atlassian Futurist Dom Price
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AI And The Future Of Work with Atlassian Futurist Dom Price

How we work today, isn’t how we’ll work tomorrow. Here’s what a world-leading Work Futurist told us about AI and the future of work.

In this conversation, We Are Human Leaders hosts Alexis Zahner and Sally Clarke discuss the profound changes in work culture brought about by the pandemic, the resurgence of old management practices, and the need for flexibility and trust in the future of work with Atlassian's Work Futurist Dom Price.

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Allied: How To Lead People Who Are Different From You with Stephanie Chung
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Allied: How To Lead People Who Are Different From You with Stephanie Chung

More often than not, the people we lead aren’t like us. Whether by gender, race, culture, or generation, the workplace is a melting pot of difference and leading people who aren’t like you is critical to success. 

So how do we do it? Enter Ally Leadership. A step away from performative and outdated leadership, and a stem into truly understanding, and getting the most from the brilliant human you lead.

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6 Must-Have Leadership Skills for Uncertain Times with Alexis Zahner and Sally Clarke
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6 Must-Have Leadership Skills for Uncertain Times with Alexis Zahner and Sally Clarke

Leaders face unpreceded rates if change, volatility and uncertainty right now. Here’s how to meet these challenges and succeed.

In this episode, Alexis Zahner and Sally Clarke discuss the pressing challenges leaders face in today's volatile environment, focusing on technological disruption, the need for adaptive learning, emotional intelligence, and the importance of empathy and purpose-driven leadership in attracting and retaining talent.

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Paradox Thinking: The Ultimate Leadership Hack in Times of Uncertainty with Wendy Smith
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Paradox Thinking: The Ultimate Leadership Hack in Times of Uncertainty with Wendy Smith

Paradox Thinking is critical for success. Tensions and dilemmas—far from being obstacles—serve as catalysts for innovation and growth when leaders learn to lean into the discomfort they case.

Learn actionable techniques to reframe “either/or” dilemmas, cultivate a paradox mindset, and leverage the power of the pause and radical acceptance to navigate uncertainty with creativity and resilience. Tune in for a thought-provoking conversation that challenges the way you think, decide, and lead.

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Feeling Invisible? The Game Changing Impact of Mattering at Work with Zach Mercurio
Alexis Zahner Alexis Zahner

Feeling Invisible? The Game Changing Impact of Mattering at Work with Zach Mercurio

Mattering is much more than a means to create productivity and engagement at work.

It’s a way of making sure everyone knows that they are innately needed, unique and what they do matters to others.

Mattering is a fundamental human needs for all of us, and for that reason alone should be motivation to prioritise it.

In this We Are Human Leaders podcast episode Author and Researcher Zach Mercurio shares the important research from his new book ‘The Power of Mattering’, including practical advice for leaders.

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  • "Heartfelt impact"

    Thank you Alexis and Sally for this inspiring, informative and actionable episode. You truly teach that success doesn’t have to mean disconnect or sacrifice (long-term). Thank you!

    • Kaitlin

  • "Putting humanity back into leadership"

    Alexis and Sally continue to bring forward the conversations that so many of us are having - why aren’t leaders showing more humanity.

    Their work is about the change that we are all hoping to see. The pandemic was the catalyst and Alexis & Sally are the change makers.

    • Maxwell

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