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Welcome to the Live+Work More Human podcast.

Welcome to the Live+Work More Human (formerly We Are Human Leaders) podcast. We have big, candid and impactful conversations about all things career, life and leadership. We focus on what’s novel: new takes on work and leadership, new research and insights, new ways of looking at things.

We share stories, data, inspiration and insight in conversations designed to spark ‘aha’ moments – and empower you to create change, lead authentically and build workplaces where people thrive.

Available everywhere you listen to podcasts. Scroll down for our latest episodes.

Our incredible guests include

Amy Edmondson •

Daniel Goleman •

Dr Kirstin Ferguson •

Urs Koenig •

Tracey Spicer •

Dr Huggy Rao •

Meisha-Ann Martin •

Martin Gutmann •

Iman Obou •

Amy Edmondson • Daniel Goleman • Dr Kirstin Ferguson • Urs Koenig • Tracey Spicer • Dr Huggy Rao • Meisha-Ann Martin • Martin Gutmann • Iman Obou •

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Dr Michele Lamont •

Craig Foster •

Lily Zheng •

Jeremy Utley •

Alex Soojung-Kim Pang •

Kim Scott •

Dr John Chan •

Claude Silver •

Ron Carruci •

Ashton Applewhite •

Dr David Weiss •

Dr Jonathan Fisher •

Morra Aarons-Mele •

Dr Michele Lamont • Craig Foster • Lily Zheng • Jeremy Utley • Alex Soojung-Kim Pang • Kim Scott • Dr John Chan • Claude Silver • Ron Carruci • Ashton Applewhite • Dr David Weiss • Dr Jonathan Fisher • Morra Aarons-Mele •

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George Kohlriesser •

Ludmilla Praslova •

Garry Ridge •

Tyler Rice •

Charlie Sull •

Ron Carruci •

Muriel Wilkins •

Amy Gallo •

Dr Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic •

Megan Reitz •

Dominic Price •

Dr Amy Finlay-Jones •

George Kohlriesser • Ludmilla Praslova • Garry Ridge • Tyler Rice • Charlie Sull • Ron Carruci • Muriel Wilkins • Amy Gallo • Dr Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic • Megan Reitz • Dominic Price • Dr Amy Finlay-Jones •

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Amy Gallo on We Are Human Leaders

Dr Michele Lamont •

Craig Foster •

Lily Zheng •

Wendy Smith •

Melody Wilding •

Stephan Meier •

Zach Mercurio •

Stephanie Chung •

Dr Els van der Helm •

Ashton Applewhite •

Megan Reitz •

Dr Jonathan Fisher •

Terence Mauri •

Dr Michele Lamont • Craig Foster • Lily Zheng • Wendy Smith • Melody Wilding • Stephan Meier • Zach Mercurio • Stephanie Chung • Dr Els van der Helm • Ashton Applewhite • Megan Reitz • Dr Jonathan Fisher • Terence Mauri •

Stop Having Pointless Meetings and Reclaim Your Time with Rebecca Hinds PhD
Sally Clarke Sally Clarke

Stop Having Pointless Meetings and Reclaim Your Time with Rebecca Hinds PhD

In the latest episode of Live+Work More Human, your hosts Alexis and Sally sit down with Rebecca Hinds PhD, an expert in organizational behavior and author of the brilliant new "Your Best Meeting Ever." The conversation delves into the pervasive dysfunction of meetings in the workplace, exploring how they have become symbols of visibility and productivity, often leading to inefficiency and frustration.

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Work Less, Be More Productive with Joe O'Connor
Sally Clarke Sally Clarke

Work Less, Be More Productive with Joe O'Connor

The four day week is everywhere. But is it achievable for everyone? What’s really the case for a shorter week? And is AI the magic bullet to make it possible?

In this entertaining and enlightening conversation, expert and coauthor of Do More in Four: Why It's Time for a Shorter Workweek Joe O'Connor sits down with Alexis and Sally to unpack why a shortened work week truly works. They discuss the historical context of the work week, the necessity of a shorter work week, and the impact of technology and AI on productivity.

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The Key to Your Success is Courage
Sally Clarke Sally Clarke

The Key to Your Success is Courage

Courage. It’s needed now more than ever, at work and beyond. So, what are the seven choices that can lead us to courage? And what impact might this have?

In this exploratory conversation, Sally and Alexis sit down with Christopher O. Williams as he shares insights from his brand new book on courage: “C.O.U.R.A.G.E. 7 Choices for Living a Life Without Regret.”

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Is Leadership Dead?
Sally Clarke Sally Clarke

Is Leadership Dead?

Leadership is undergoing a significant transformation, raising the question: Is leadership dead? While it’s certainly not extinct, recent studies suggest that leadership is facing a branding crisis.

With a growing number of leaders contemplating their roles for better work-life balance, it’s essential to explore what these changes mean for the future of leadership.

In this episode, Sally Clarke and Alexis Zahner do just this: they dissect the evolving perception of leadership amidst generational shifts, societal pressures, and workplace transformations. Discover how future leadership can be rebranded to attract and sustain talent, with insights on wellbeing, autonomy, and meaningful work.

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Why Managing Yourself is Your Greatest Career Unlock with Margaret Andrews
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Why Managing Yourself is Your Greatest Career Unlock with Margaret Andrews

Why does a fulfilling and impactful career hinge on understanding and managing ourselves? And what's the first step on this journey towards upleveling your career and your leadership?

In this enlightening and wide-ranging conversation, Sally and Alexis sit down with Margaret Andrews, a leadership expert and author of the brilliant MANAGE YOURSELF TO LEAD OTHERS: Why Great Leadership Begins with Self-Understanding, to explore the critical importance of self-understanding in effective leadership. They discuss how managing oneself is essential for leading others, the significance of bridging the intention-impact gap, and the role of interpersonal skills in fostering a positive workplace culture.

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Overwork: Burning Ambition or Coping Mechanism?
Sally Clarke Sally Clarke

Overwork: Burning Ambition or Coping Mechanism?

Is work masking loneliness? What drives us to overwork, and what can we do to ensure we derive our self-identity outside of our work lives, too?

The latest episode of Live+Work More Human is an incredibly timely conversation between your hosts Alexis and Sally delves into the complex relationship between loneliness and work identity, exploring how societal pressures and personal experiences shape our connection to work and each other.

Sharing personal experience as well as data and expertise, Sally and Alexis discuss the impact of technology on social interactions, the challenges of forming adult friendships, and the responsibility of organizations to foster a sense of belonging.

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Escape Survival Mode for a Thriving Life and Career with Jon Rosemberg
Sally Clarke Sally Clarke

Escape Survival Mode for a Thriving Life and Career with Jon Rosemberg

Feeling stuck, unmotivated or powerless in your career (or life)? Are you overwhelmed, perhaps just barely coping with the demands of life? If this resonates, this conversation is for YOU.

In today's episode of Live+Work More Human, Alexis and Sally sit down with CEO and author Jon Rosemberg to discuss what it means to shift from survive, to thrive. And the impact this has for our careers and lives. We explore the concept of survival mode as an evolutionary mechanism that many people find themselves in today.

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Compulsively Productive? How Busyness is Burning you Out!
Sally Clarke Sally Clarke

Compulsively Productive? How Busyness is Burning you Out!

We are, frankly, over the word ‘productivity’. And in this conversation, we get really explicit and personal about the damaging effects that over-identifying with productivity can have for us, our workplaces and our society.

In this straight-talking and animated conversation, co-hosts Alexis Zahner and Sally Clarke explore the complex relationship between productivity, rest, and burnout. They discuss personal experiences with productivity pressures, the societal expectations that contribute to burnout, and the importance of understanding different forms of rest.

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We Have Exciting News!
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We Have Exciting News!

In this special mini-episode, Sally and Alexis discuss the rebranding of the podcast to 'Live+Work More Human' (formerly We Are Human Leaders), and the introduction of our new partner, Humanico*.

We emphasize the importance of human-centered outcomes in leadership and the need for connection in hybrid and remote teams. The conversation also highlights the exciting themes and topics planned for the upcoming season, focusing on personal development and the integration of skills in both personal and professional contexts.

We are so excited to share this news with you! Thank you so much for being an incredible member of the Live+Work More Human community.

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Unlock Your Creativity & Innovation Potential with Tessa Forshaw & Rich Braden
Sally Clarke Sally Clarke

Unlock Your Creativity & Innovation Potential with Tessa Forshaw & Rich Braden

In this thought-provoking conversation we sit down with authors of the brilliant new Innovation-ish: How Anyone can Create Breakthrough Solutions to Real Problems in the Real World Tessa Forshaw and Rich Braden. Together, we explore the multifaceted nature of innovation, which is not solely the domain of lone geniuses but rather a collaborative effort that requires curiosity, empathy, and humility.

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Continuously improving what we do is important to us, and your feedback is foundational doing so. Please share your feedback and suggestions to let us know what you’re loving and would like to hear in the future. We appreciate you.

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  • "Heartfelt impact"

    Thank you Alexis and Sally for this inspiring, informative and actionable episode. You truly teach that success doesn’t have to mean disconnect or sacrifice (long-term). Thank you!

    • Kaitlin

  • "Putting humanity back into leadership"

    Alexis and Sally continue to bring forward the conversations that so many of us are having - why aren’t leaders showing more humanity.

    Their work is about the change that we are all hoping to see. The pandemic was the catalyst and Alexis & Sally are the change makers.

    • Maxwell

  • "Inspiring & exciting"

    Alexis & Sally are such interesting and inspiring speakers on the podcast! Can't wait to listen to the next episode.

    • Katrien