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Welcome to the Live+Work More Human podcast.
Welcome to the Live+Work More Human (formerly We Are Human Leaders) podcast. Your hosts, Alexis Zahner and Sally Clarke, have big, candid and impactful conversations about all things career, life and leadership. We focus on what’s novel: new takes on work and leadership, new research and insights, new ways of looking at things.
We share stories, data, inspiration and insight in conversations designed to spark ‘aha’ moments – and empower you to create change, lead authentically and build workplaces where people thrive.
Available everywhere you listen to podcasts. Scroll down for our latest episodes.
Our incredible guests include
Amy Edmondson •
Daniel Goleman •
Dr Kirstin Ferguson •
Urs Koenig •
Tracey Spicer •
Dr Huggy Rao •
Meisha-Ann Martin •
Martin Gutmann •
Iman Obou •
Amy Edmondson • Daniel Goleman • Dr Kirstin Ferguson • Urs Koenig • Tracey Spicer • Dr Huggy Rao • Meisha-Ann Martin • Martin Gutmann • Iman Obou •
Dr Michele Lamont •
Craig Foster •
Lily Zheng •
Jeremy Utley •
Alex Soojung-Kim Pang •
Kim Scott •
Dr John Chan •
Claude Silver •
Ron Carruci •
Ashton Applewhite •
Dr David Weiss •
Dr Jonathan Fisher •
Morra Aarons-Mele •
Dr Michele Lamont • Craig Foster • Lily Zheng • Jeremy Utley • Alex Soojung-Kim Pang • Kim Scott • Dr John Chan • Claude Silver • Ron Carruci • Ashton Applewhite • Dr David Weiss • Dr Jonathan Fisher • Morra Aarons-Mele •
George Kohlriesser •
Ludmilla Praslova •
Garry Ridge •
Tyler Rice •
Charlie Sull •
Ron Carruci •
Muriel Wilkins •
Amy Gallo •
Dr Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic •
Megan Reitz •
Dominic Price •
Dr Amy Finlay-Jones •
George Kohlriesser • Ludmilla Praslova • Garry Ridge • Tyler Rice • Charlie Sull • Ron Carruci • Muriel Wilkins • Amy Gallo • Dr Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic • Megan Reitz • Dominic Price • Dr Amy Finlay-Jones •
Dr Michele Lamont •
Craig Foster •
Lily Zheng •
Wendy Smith •
Melody Wilding •
Stephan Meier •
Zach Mercurio •
Stephanie Chung •
Dr Els van der Helm •
Ashton Applewhite •
Megan Reitz •
Dr Jonathan Fisher •
Terence Mauri •
Dr Michele Lamont • Craig Foster • Lily Zheng • Wendy Smith • Melody Wilding • Stephan Meier • Zach Mercurio • Stephanie Chung • Dr Els van der Helm • Ashton Applewhite • Megan Reitz • Dr Jonathan Fisher • Terence Mauri •
Can Microdosing Awe Help You Reframe Stress?
Outrage is loud, exhausting, and — according to your feed — mandatory. But what if the antidote to burnout isn't more hustle, more mindfulness apps, or more optimisation... it's awe?
Digital Distraction: Leading Through The Noise
Digital connectivity was supposed to make us faster, sharper, and more connected. Instead, it's quietly taxing the very things that make leaders effective: creativity, emotional regulation, real productivity, and trust. In this episode, Alexis unpacks "the digital leader's paradox" — the tension of needing technology to perform while it simultaneously erodes the conditions for high performance.
These 3 things are burning you out (and only one is your boss)
In this deeply honest conversation, your intrepid cohosts hosts Alexis Zahner and Sally Clarke unpack why burnout keeps rising globally despite decades of research, media coverage, and “awareness” — and why it is never an individual weakness or failure.
Drawing on Sally’s work in burnout prevention and Alexis’s lived experiences across marketing, government, and consulting, we explore burnout as a perfect storm of three intertwined layers: societal narratives that glorify work and rugged individualism, organizational cultures that reward unsustainable effort while undermining autonomy, and the internalised beliefs we carry about our worth, productivity, and “being a good worker.”
Together, we dive into the gap between what organisations say and what people actually experience, the existential dimension of burnout when our values and potential feel trapped in systems that don’t change, and the courageous work of self‑knowledge and self‑compassion needed to reclaim agency without pretending systemic issues don’t exist.
You're Good Enough, Just As You Are with Lodro Rinzler
In this deeply grounding conversation, Buddhist meditation teacher and author Lodro Rinzler joins Alexis and Sally to explore why so many of us struggle to believe the simple yet radical truth: you are good, and you are enough — exactly as you are.
Drawing on his new book You Are Good, You Are Enough: Free Yourself from the Trap of Doubt and Return to Basic Goodness, Lodro unpacks the “trap of doubt,” the societal whisper of not‑enoughness we internalise from childhood, and how it shapes our identities, our work lives, and our relationships. Together, we dive into the Buddhist notion of basic goodness, how shame and guilt keep us stuck in stories that aren’t true, and why reclaiming our inherent wholeness is both an act of inner revolution and a powerful antidote to capitalist narratives that insist we’re broken and must be fixed.
We're Facing a Credibility Crisis: Here's How to Manage Information Overload
We're drowning in information — and somehow more confused than ever.
In the latest episode of Live+Work More Human, Lex and Sal dig into what they're calling the "modern credibility crisis": the growing struggle to separate fact from fiction in a world of infinite scroll and algorithm-driven feeds.
What we get wrong about Imposter Syndrome (and how to overcome it)
Imposter syndrome is often misunderstood as a simple lack of confidence. In reality, it is more accurately described as an “imposter phenomenon”—a persistent internal narrative of being a fraud despite clear evidence of competence. What sits beneath it is often a limiting belief: “I’m not enough.”
This episode of Live+Work More Human unpacks imposter syndrome as more than a confidence issue, reframing it as a deeper pattern rooted in conditional self-worth and reinforced by workplace cultures that reward over-efforting. Drawing on research, lived experience, and coaching insights, Sally and Alexis explore why high achievers are often the most affected—and what it takes to shift the pattern at both an individual and systemic level.
Why Knowing Your Strengths Changes Everything with Fiona Vale
Knowing deeply who we are, and embracing what makes us unique, is an essential part of the personal growth that fuels great leadership and a fulfilling life. That’s where bringing sharp focus to our strengths can be transformative. This conversation unpacks how – and what you stand to gain by identifying and acting on your strengths, too.
In this open-hearted episode, Alexis and Sally engage with Fiona Vale, co-founder of Humanico, to explore the transformative power of strengths-based living. They delve into how understanding and leveraging your unique strengths can lead to greater self-awareness, enhance leadership capabilities, and foster deeper, more meaningful relationships. Fiona shares her journey from diverse career paths to founding Humanico, emphasizing the importance of recognizing and acting on your innate talents to thrive in today's AI-driven world.
Bringing More Human Into A Tech-Obsessed World with Dara Simkin
Not a minute goes by without the term ‘AI’ being dropped. Most of us are buried on screens for hours and hours each day. We’re speaking less, we’re connecting less, we’re so, unbelievably BUSY. So what does it mean to stay human in this chaotic, at times overwhelming, world? And why does it matter so much right now – more than ever?
Join us in this compelling discussion with Dara Simkin, a global voice in play and founder of Culture Hero, as we explore the concept of being a full stack human. In a world overwhelmed by technology, Dara shares practical strategies for maintaining authenticity, emotional resilience, and human connection. This episode unpackages how to live more human amid rapid societal and technological change.
Age is Just a Number: Countering Ageism in Our Work Lives with Dr Corinne Auman
We are all aging as we speak, and yet we resist it with all our might. Understandably, given the anti-aging industry commands US$500 billion each year. So, how can we age without losing our dignity or identity? And what can we do to counter agism where it is arguable most rife: in the workplace?
In this insightful and candid conversation, Alexis and Sally sit down with age expert and author Dr. Corinne Auman to candidly explore the realities of aging, challenging societal stereotypes and emphasizing the importance of a positive outlook. Corinne discusses how language, workplace biases, and cultural narratives shape our perceptions of aging, and offers practical advice on embracing this life stage with purpose and agency.
Stop Having Pointless Meetings and Reclaim Your Time with Rebecca Hinds PhD
In the latest episode of Live+Work More Human, your hosts Alexis and Sally sit down with Rebecca Hinds PhD, an expert in organizational behavior and author of the brilliant new "Your Best Meeting Ever." The conversation delves into the pervasive dysfunction of meetings in the workplace, exploring how they have become symbols of visibility and productivity, often leading to inefficiency and frustration.
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